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| Sunday, 31 October 2010 19:03 |
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Question: I have heard that you disagree with Rambam’s opinion regarding how one should tie ssissith. I understand that you claim that tying according to Rambam is not feasible. Could you please explain why?
1. It must be possible to tie according to that shitta even if one wishes to make ssissith of the minimal length stipulated in the Talmudh (Bavli M’nahoth 41b 31), i.e. 4 aghudhalim (8-9 cm). (This refers to the entire length of the strings, see Rambam’s MT Hilkhoth Ssissith 1:6. This view of Rambam and most Rishonim and is very correct, even though some authorities disagree.) One may of course make the ssissith longer, and this is usually the case. However, if according to a given shitta it is impossible to tie ssissith so that the overall length (g’dhil and ‘anaph, see below) does not exceed 4 aghudhalim, that shitta is not an option. 2. Ssissith consist of g’dhil (the tied portion) and ‘anaph (the loose portion). This requirement is min haTora (Hilkhoth Ssissith 1:1-2) and is based on two Tora verses (B’midhbar 15:38 and D’varim 22:12). The Talmudh (Bavli M’nahoth 39a 27) states that if one tied only one hulya (leaving the rest of the ssissith untied, i.e. ‘anaph), or tied many hulyoth so that most of the length of the ssissith consists of g’dhil (with only a short length left as ‘anaph), the ssissith are kasher. The ideal is 1/3 g’dhil and 2/3 ‘anaph (Hilkhoth Ssissith 1:8-9). 3. The difficulty is that Rambam’s shitta cannot be made to fit all these criteria. According to Rambam z’l at least 7 hulyoth are required, each hulya consisting of 3 k’rikhoth (coils). In addition, a gap is required between one hulya and the next (Hilkhoth Ssissith 1:7-8). That section, the g’dhil, should be approximately 1/3 the entire length. If you attempt this you will rapidly discover that Rambam’s shitta, while aesthetically pleasing, necessitates ssissith considerably longer than the stipulated minimum of 4 aghudhalim. 4. One’s only resort would be to use strings the thickness of sewing thread. This is simply impracticable (I do not believe such strings exist, and even if such threads were available they would certainly tear in short order). Not to mention the fact that ssissith should be seen (“Ur’ithem otho” – B’midhbar 15:39), and such strings would be difficult to see. 5. If according to Rambam’s shitta the only way to tie ssissith of the minimal overall length while maintaining the 1/3-2/3 ratio is to either tie just one or two hulyoth, or tie the normally required 7 hulyoth and end up with an extremely short ‘anaph – then clearly Rambam’s shitta is problematic. (The g’dhil, or t’kheleth, cannot make up the entire length. The fact that it might be just possible to tie according to Rambam by making the g’dhil half of the total minimal length simply serves to prove that this shitta cannot be correct.) 6. Ramban (Haqdama to Milhamoth HaShem) points out that Halakha is not mathematics. Absolute 100% certainty is not necessary and is generally unattainable; it is sufficient to demonstrate that a position is unlikely. All attempts to defend Rambam’s position regarding this matter that I have seen or heard are extremely unlikely and farfetched, to say the least. In such a case one should accept that Rambam was mistaken regarding this Halakha. 7. The correct shitta is that of Ra’vadh based on R. Natronay Gaon. This is the only one that fits the sources like a glove. (I cannot elaborate here; I intend, with HASHEM’s help, to write an in-depth t’shuva regarding this matter in Hebrew.) According to this interpretation, the numbers 7-13 mentioned in the Braytha (TB M’nahoth 39a 31) refer not to the number of hulyoth but rather to the number of k’rikhoth in each hulya. The number of hulyoth is deliberately unspecified; it all depends on the total length desired, and one makes as many or as few hulyoth as required (each hulya being between 7 and 13 k’rikhoth) in order to maintain the 1/3-2/3 ratio. 8. Some people believe that one must have 4 hulyoth of 7, 8, 11 and 13 k’rikhoth respectively; this is an assumption based on common practice (minhagh) but has no Halakhic basis. Being able to make ssissith considerably shorter than many people believe required is important; shorter ssissith are less prone to getting caught or trailing on the ground, resulting in tearing, becoming dirty, or being unwieldy. 9. When t’kheleth is available, one ties with 2 strings simultaneously, one white and one t’kheleth, creating a white/t’kheleth pattern (always adding one more white coil at the end of the hulya which should begin and end with white). If t’kheleth is unavailable, one ties using one white string. 10. This shitta of Ra’vadh/R. Natronay Gaon is mentioned and accepted by certain other Rishonim, and is in fact the shitta that most Jews have been following for centuries without actually realizing it. It also happens to be the simplest method for tying ssissith. Rabbi David Bar-Hayim
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Thank you
Also I emailed that site (Tekhellit.com)
and I received this answer to your question of why they made all white (on the second)
"The answer to your question has been posted in my FAQ on our site as follows:
http://www.tekhelet.com/MANFAQ1/faq.php?answer=84&cat_name=Tzitzit%20Tying%20Questions&category_id=1#84
The Raavad explains that the second "chulya" (between the 2nd and 3rd knots as you go down away from the garment corner) is not really a chulya at all and as such one can do whatever one likes there. In his "hasagot" on the Rambam he states that one can use all white or alternating colors; HOWEVER, in his halachic responsa he states that one should wrap all white ("dak dak" - this is understood to mean all white according R. Yehuda Rock - and there seems to be evidence for this in its use in Torah literature).
See my page "in his own words"
(http://www.tekhelet.com/diagrams/RaavadTyingSource.htm).
note especially the last sentence of his hasagot and also the 10th lineof his shu"t.
Furthermore, there is a general concept that the areas between the knots should be of equal dimension, and therefore my diagram has the non-chulya area using the same number of twists as the real chulyot (i.e., seven)."
I'm not sure I understand your question.
Ssissith consist of the tied/knotted section (g'dhil) and the loose, untied section ('anaph).
There must be at least some 'anaph. Ideally you should have 1/3 total length g'dhil and 2/3 'anaph.
The minimum total length (g'dhil + 'anaph) is 4 agudhalim = 8 cm. There is no maximum length, but shorter is more practical.
Yes -- you may have as many hulyoth as you like. The minimum is one; there is no upper limit. Just maintain the 1/3 - 2/3 ratio between the g'dhil and 'anaph.
I looked at the diagram @ tekhelet.com you mention. The first hulya is exactly as it should be: 7 k'rikhot, white/blue and ending with white. One can, if one wishes, make a hulya of up to 13 k'rikhoth based on the same pattern and ending with white. Before and after each hulya you must make a knot; this knot may be a double knot of 4+4 strings, or any knot of 2 or more strings which will hold.
I have no idea why they have a hulya of 7 white k'rikhoth between the first and second hulyoth of white/blue. All hulyoth are tied in the same manner. In my opinion they have misunderstood the matter.
Can I just continue and have more then 4 (since the top is kinda short and I would like it longer out of preference). And if yes, since it was (as shown in the diagram in the link provided- ( tekhelet.com/diagrams/RaavadTyingDiag ram2.htm) does it need a certain pattern- its shown white-blue-white (etc) then all white, then white-blue (twice). If I am allowed to continue from their what should the patter be and what is (if any the limit to it? Do I just have it again continue white-blue-white, all white, white-blue-white (x2). (etc.)
I was just wondering if after the knots their should be some (and what is the amount) left over?
Regarding tying method: when I wrote "according to the usual method", I meant the the shitta used by most Ashk'nazim, i.e. R. Nattronay Gaon, Ra'avadh et al, which shitta is described in the Shulhan 'Arukh OH 11:14.
Regarding Shehehiyanu: If you feel joy in your heart that you are now able to fulfil this misswa fully and correctly, you should recite the b'rakha. See Rambam's MT B'rakhoth 11:9 - this situation can be compared to purchasing new t'philin or ssissith. It is a new and much higher level of misswath ssissith than you were previously capable of performing.
Just quick side question- Can I say Shehiyanu on the Tallit, where the Tallit isn't new, but will have the Tekhellit added onto it. (I believe I heard some time that Shehiyanu is said on the new clothing, not the Mitzvah, but would the Tekhellit itself be valid enough for the opportunity to say the Bracha also?)
Ok. By the "usual method" do you mean the Askenazi method that is used? Im asking because the place where I got Tekhellit from (a friend got it for me), they say they can tie it either according to the Sefardic or Askenazic method. Should I just tell them Askenazic then? (meaning is the "Askenazic way meaning Raavad?).
There is nothing easier than tying according to the shitta of R. Nattronay Gaon and Ra'vadh. See no. 11. Anyone who knows how to tie ssissith according to the usual method can do it; just use a pair of white-t'kheleth instead of just the one white string.
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